#3796: Why Electricians and Lawyers Used to Be the Same Thing

Why do we call some skilled work a profession and other work a trade? The medieval answer might surprise you.

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The distinction between professions and trades isn't natural — it's a historical accident with enormous consequences. In medieval Europe, universities were trade schools. The University of Bologna was a law school. Oxford trained clergy. Academic regalia? Those are guild uniforms. Master masons who built cathedrals were celebrities who negotiated directly with kings. The same apprenticeship-journeyman-master structure applied whether you were training as a physician or a stonemason.

Two things broke this parity. First, Adam Smith in 1776 drew a line between liberal and mechanical arts, arguing manual labor dulled the mind — a class prejudice dressed as economics. Second, the 19th-century professionalization push saw the AMA (1847) and ABA (1878) deliberately restrict entry to raise incomes. The Flexner Report of 1910 then welded professional status to university education, shuttering half of all medical schools and cementing medicine as a white, male, upper-middle-class pursuit.

Today, three forces are shredding the distinction. Licensed trades like electricians require 8,000-10,000 hours of training — nearly identical to becoming a CPA, minus the degree. Yet the cultural gap remains vast. Meanwhile, AI threatens to automate large swaths of professional knowledge work while leaving hands-on trades relatively secure. The episode closes by asking whether we're heading toward a world where the old hierarchy finally collapses.

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#3796: Why Electricians and Lawyers Used to Be the Same Thing

Corn
Daniel sent us this one, and it comes from a very specific place — he spent a weekend trying to replace a motherboard on his home server, then turned around and paid a mechanic to install a dashcam. Two repairs, two vastly different kinds of social status. And the question is: why? Why is one set of complex, skilled work called a profession and another called a trade, even when both require years of training, exams, and a whole body of specialized knowledge? And is that distinction headed for the scrap heap?
Herman
I love this question. I love it. Because it feels like a vocabulary problem, but it's actually a historical artifact carrying enormous weight — in how people are paid, how they're treated, how we talk about their work at dinner parties. And the history of how we got here is genuinely wild.
Corn
Start with the Middle Ages. You've been reading.
Herman
So here's the thing that flips the whole modern assumption on its head: medieval universities were trade schools. The University of Bologna, founded around 1088, was explicitly a law school. The University of Paris was churning out clerics and theologians. Oxford trained physicians and clergy. The whole curriculum — the trivium, the quadrivium — that wasn't some liberal arts intellectual playground. It was vocational training for the three so-called learned professions: divinity, law, and medicine.
Corn
The first university grads were essentially apprentices with fancier robes.
Herman
And speaking of robes — the academic regalia we still use at graduations? Those are guild uniforms. Medieval guilds had specific dress for different ranks — apprentice, journeyman, master. Universities copied the structure wholesale. Bachelor's degree, master's degree, doctorate — that's the guild ladder. The word "bachelor" originally meant a young knight or a junior guild member. You can still see it in the academic gowns. The sleeves get longer and more elaborate as you move up the ranks. It's not a coincidence. It's a fossil.
Corn
Guilds for everyone. What did that actually look like in practice?
Herman
Remarkably consistent across trades and professions. Whether you were training to be a notary, a physician, a goldsmith, or a stonemason, you entered a guild. You did an apprenticeship — typically seven years. You became a journeyman, traveling and working under different masters. And then you produced a masterpiece — that's where the word comes from — to demonstrate your competence and earn master status. Guild courts regulated disputes. Guilds set quality standards and prices. They provided for members' widows and orphans. The structure was identical whether the work involved inscribing legal documents or carving cathedral spires.
Corn
There's no meaningful distinction in the medieval period between what we'd now call a profession and what we'd call a trade.
Herman
A master mason and a master notary had equivalent standing within their guild structures. Both required long apprenticeships, both had journeyman phases, both demanded a demonstration of mastery, and both operated within self-regulating bodies with their own courts and ethical codes. And here's the thing that really drives this home — the master masons who built Chartres and Notre Dame? They were celebrities. They traveled between cities, they negotiated directly with bishops and kings, they commanded serious money. Nobody looked at a man who could make a stone vault float a hundred feet in the air and thought, "Well, he works with his hands, so...
Corn
And the cathedrals are still standing. So something broke. What was it?
Herman
Two things happened. The first was a philosophical shift in the 18th century. Adam Smith, in The Wealth of Nations in 1776, drew a sharp line between what he called the liberal arts and the mechanical arts. He argued that work requiring repetitive manual labor effectively narrowed and dulled the mind. Direct quote, more or less: "The man whose whole life is spent in performing a few simple operations has no occasion to exert his understanding." He thought factory work literally made people stupider.
Corn
Which is a pretty tidy justification for a class system dressed up as economic philosophy.
Herman
And it was specifically class-based. The liberal arts were for gentlemen who had property and could afford leisure for contemplation. The mechanical arts were for everyone else. Smith essentially imported the old social hierarchy into his economic theory and called it insight. And you can see the class anxiety right there on the page — he's not describing a natural order, he's defending one.
Corn
Meanwhile, the people actually building things and making things had to understand metallurgy and structural loads and the chemistry of dyes.
Herman
A master dyer in the 18th century needed to understand mordants, fixatives, and the chemical properties of dozens of natural compounds. A master stonemason had to calculate loads and stresses. The idea that this work didn't engage the mind is just aristocratic prejudice. But Smith's framing stuck because it was useful to people who already had power. It gave them a way to say the hierarchy wasn't just inherited privilege — it was a natural consequence of different kinds of work.
Corn
Smith provides the intellectual cover. What's the second thing?
Herman
The 19th-century professionalization push. And this is where the rubber meets the road. Starting around the 1840s, practitioners of what we now call the learned professions — medicine and law chief among them — deliberately organized themselves into associations designed to elevate their status, restrict entry, and raise incomes.
Corn
Gatekeeping as a business strategy.
Herman
The American Medical Association formed in 1847. The American Bar Association in 1878. Before the AMA, anyone could hang out a shingle and call themselves a doctor — and many did, with wildly varying competence. The ABA was the same story for lawyers. Before the 1870s, many states had no bar exam. You could read law with a practicing attorney for a couple of years and start practicing. Abraham Lincoln did exactly that. He never went to law school. He read Blackstone, clerked for a practicing lawyer, and passed an oral examination. Today he couldn't sit for the bar in any state.
Corn
The professional associations weren't purely about standards. They were about creating scarcity.
Herman
That's the argument, and there's good evidence for it. Standardized exams, accredited schools, state licensing boards — all of these reduced the supply of practitioners and raised the price of their services. They framed it as protecting the public from quacks and incompetence, and there was a genuine quality-control problem to solve. But restricting supply was absolutely part of the calculation. The AMA's own internal debates from the period show members talking explicitly about the problem of too many doctors driving down fees. They understood exactly what they were doing.
Corn
Enter Abraham Flexner.
Herman
This is the big one. So in 1910, the Carnegie Foundation commissioned Abraham Flexner to evaluate every medical school in North America — all hundred and fifty-five of them. The Flexner Report is probably the single most influential document in the history of American professional education, and it's astonishing how few people have heard of it.
Corn
What did Flexner find?
Herman
A mess, honestly. Some medical schools were rigorous and science-based. Others were essentially diploma mills — six months of lectures, no laboratory work, no hospital training. One school was literally run out of a storefront. So Flexner recommended shutting down the low-quality operations and tying medical education to university-based scientific training.
Corn
Which on the face of it sounds sensible.
Herman
And it did improve the quality of medical training enormously. But the side effects were enormous. Flexner's recommendations shuttered roughly half of all medical schools in the country. In Chicago alone, five of eight medical schools closed. The national supply of physicians dropped by about thirty percent. And because medical education was now tied to university admission, it became vastly more expensive and much less accessible.
Corn
Much more prestigious.
Herman
When a profession becomes a university-gated pursuit, the people who already have money and social capital are the ones who get through the gate. Flexner era medical schools became overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly male, and overwhelmingly upper-middle-class, and stayed that way for generations. The report elevated standards but also cemented a class boundary — and did it under the banner of scientific rigor. Flexner himself wrote approvingly that only "men of upright character and good breeding" should enter medicine. He was explicit about the gatekeeping.
Corn
Let me see if I've got the sequence. Medieval period: everyone's in guilds. Lawyers, doctors, masons, goldsmiths — same structure, same standing. Then Adam Smith draws a line between liberal and mechanical arts in 1776. Then the AMA and ABA form in the mid-to-late 1800s and start tightening entry. Then Flexner in 1910 basically welds professional licensure to university education permanently.
Herman
That's the skeleton of it. And once the doctors and lawyers had done it, other occupations scrambled to follow. Accountants, architects, engineers — they all built professional associations, standardized exams, and pushed for university-based credentialing. But electricians didn't. Plumbers didn't. Auto mechanics didn't. And they stayed on the trade side of the divide, with apprenticeship-based training and separate licensing boards. It's not that their work got less complex. It's that they didn't have the social capital to play the university game, and the professions that had already won that game had no incentive to invite them in.
Corn
Okay, so that's how we got here. Now let's talk about whether the whole thing makes sense anymore.
Herman
It makes less sense with each passing year. And there are three forces shredding the distinction right now. Let me start with what I'll call the licensed trade anomaly.
Corn
That's a good name for a band.
Herman
The bassist is a union electrician with five thousand hours of classroom and supervised field training. Look at what it takes to become a master electrician in the US. You need a four-to-five-year apprenticeship, typically eight thousand to ten thousand hours of supervised work, plus classroom instruction in electrical theory, the National Electrical Code, and safety regulations. You then pass a state licensing exam. You carry liability insurance. You maintain continuing education credits. Structurally, it's nearly identical to becoming a certified public accountant, minus the university degree requirement.
Corn
If you tell your parents you're dating a CPA, they react differently than if you tell them you're dating an electrician.
Herman
That gap is entirely cultural. And here's the data point that makes the whole thing wobble: the US Bureau of Labor Statistics projects eleven percent job growth for electricians from 2023 to 2033 versus four percent for lawyers in the same period. The median pay for electricians is around sixty thousand dollars a year. Median pay for journalists — a classic "professional class" occupation — is fifty-five thousand. Social workers, around fifty-one thousand. The old economic justification for the status gap is evaporating.
Corn
Though pay isn't the whole story. Lots of journalism jobs are precarious in ways that licensed electrical work generally isn't. The electrician has a license that's hard to get and hard to lose. The journalist can be laid off by a private equity firm on a Tuesday afternoon.
Herman
Right, and that's part of the inversion we're watching in real time. The second force eating the distinction is AI. This is where it gets really interesting for technically inclined listeners. Document review — which is a huge chunk of what junior lawyers do — has already been partially automated. Legal research platforms powered by machine learning are replacing what associates used to bill hours for. On the medical side, diagnostic AI tools are doing exactly the pattern-recognition work that a specialist physician's "professional judgment" was supposed to uniquely provide. Radiology is the canonical example. An AI trained on millions of images can spot anomalies that a human radiologist might miss. But nobody is anywhere close to sending a robot to rewire an apartment or replace a heat pump. The thing that fifty years ago seemed like menial work — physical trades in messy, variable real-world environments — turns out to be the hardest stuff to automate.
Corn
There's a beautiful irony there. The professions built their prestige partly on "mental labor is superior to manual labor." Now AI can do a lot of the mental work, and it can't touch the manual work. HVAC repair is safer from automation than law review is.
Herman
Moravec's paradox in action. Hans Moravec, the roboticist, pointed this out in the 1980s — the things humans find hard, like calculus and chess, are easy for computers. The things humans find easy, like walking and picking up a coffee cup, are brutally hard for machines. A robot that can fold laundry is a research project. A robot that can diagnose a skin lesion is already in production. The professions bet on the wrong kind of difficulty.
Corn
If you're a young person trying to choose a career path right now, the rational move might be to look at what AI can't do rather than what sounds prestigious. But that's not how career advice works in practice. Nobody's high school guidance counselor is saying "have you considered becoming a master electrician? It pays better than journalism and the robots can't touch it.
Herman
The third force is credential inflation, and this one is alarming when you look at the numbers. According to the Institute for Justice's most recent report, the United States now has over 1,100 licensed occupations. Over one thousand one hundred. Many of them require university degrees that didn't historically exist. And a growing body of research shows that a lot of these credentialing requirements don't improve service quality — they just reduce competition and raise prices for consumers.
Corn
Give me an example of a credential that's hard to justify.
Herman
Some states require florists to be licensed. That means passing an exam to arrange flowers for a living. In several states, you need a license to be an interior designer. African hair braiders — who've been braiding hair since childhood — sometimes have to complete hundreds of hours of cosmetology school that doesn't even cover their specialty, then pass an unrelated exam. It's just gatekeeping. The public isn't safer because a hair braider passed a cosmetology exam that covers chemical treatments they'll never perform. It's rent-seeking dressed up as consumer protection.
Corn
The customs broker that the prompt called out is an interesting case. It sits right on the boundary — apprenticeship-style practical experience plus a standardized licensing exam. Not quite a profession, not quite a trade in the classic sense.
Herman
There are all these hybrids now. Paramedics, dental hygienists, licensed practical nurses — these are roles that require substantial training, licensure exams, and continuing education, but they don't carry the full social prestige of the so-called learned professions. The boundary has been blurring for decades. We've just been slow to update our language and our assumptions. A paramedic making life-or-death decisions in the back of an ambulance has more real responsibility than a lot of people with corner offices, but we still call that a "technician" role.
Corn
Germany seems to handle this differently.
Herman
Germany's dual education system is the countermodel that makes the American setup look almost perverse. Roughly half of German high school graduates enter apprenticeships — "Ausbildungen" — across 300-plus recognized trades. This isn't seen as the "lesser" path. A trained mechatronics technician in Germany has genuine social standing. They're respected, well-compensated, and the system is integrated with industry so that training matches what employers actually need. The distinction between "I went to university" and "I did an apprenticeship" doesn't carry the same contemptuous class dismissal that it carries in the Anglo-American world.
Corn
Where did we lose respect for that path?
Herman
Partly the 20th century redefined higher education as a consumer good and a status signal simultaneously — so university enrollment exploded after World War Two, especially with the GI Bill and then the postwar expansion of state university systems. The message was: go to college and you'll get a good white-collar job. By the 1980s and 1990s, "vocational" became a dirty word in American education policy. Wood shop, auto shop, metal shop — schools gutted these programs to make room for college prep courses. We told a generation that working with your hands was Plan B, for people who couldn't cut it academically.
Corn
Now we have a severe skilled trades shortage and a lot of college graduates working in coffee shops.
Herman
With student debt they'd bite your hand off to trade for an electrician's apprenticeship slot and a clear path to sixty, eighty thousand dollars a year. No loan, no four-year degree requirement, and a skill set that won't be automated before the sun burns out. The market has voted — we've just refused to update the map to match the actual territory.
Corn
I want to take a step back and play the cynic for a second.
Herman
Color me surprised.
Corn
You're not wrong that the data shows many trades coming out ahead of traditional professions in pay and automation resilience. But the funny thing about human beings is that status isn't purely economic. There's cultural cachet — a white coat, a courtroom, a university office — these carry social meaning that sheer wage-earning doesn't capture. So even if AI automates half of legal research, people are still going to say a lawyer is more prestigious than an electrician. Status hierarchies have incredible inertia. They don't just collapse because the economic logic shifts.
Herman
That's a fair pushback, and I think you're right that the lag is real. But here's the counterpoint: status eventually does yield to material conditions. If white-collar work becomes precarious — if law firms are shedding associates and replacing them with AI tools, if universities are relying on underpaid adjuncts with no job security — and meanwhile the electrician owns a house, has no debt, and can't be outsourced — the status calculation starts to shift. But over a generation. Parents notice which careers actually deliver a stable life for their kids.
Corn
You're saying we might be in the early stages of a slow-burning status realignment, not an imminent revolution.
Herman
Slow burn, punctuated by acute shocks. Picture this: it's 2030, your heat pump fails in January, and you can't get a technician for two weeks because there aren't enough of them. Meanwhile your friend the corporate lawyer just got laid off in a round of AI-driven cuts. That's a moment when the old status map starts to look not just outdated but actively misleading. The carpenter who shows up, fixes your problem, and charges a fair rate — that person has something no algorithm can replicate. And you feel it, viscerally, when you're sitting in a cold house.
Corn
There's also something happening at the individual level that I think is under-discussed. Daniel's original prompt — he spent a weekend trying to replace a motherboard. But the attempt itself, the act of engaging with physical repair work, seems to carry a kind of satisfaction that a lot of knowledge work doesn't provide. You either fix the thing or you don't. The server boots or it doesn't. There's a clarity to it.
Herman
That's a huge part of this. Knowledge work is often ambiguous — you can spend a whole day in meetings and emails and have no tangible output. But when you repair something physical, you have a result. The thing works now. It didn't work before. You can point to it. There's a dignity in that tangibility that our culture has systematically devalued, and I think a lot of people are rediscovering it, especially through the maker movement and the right-to-repair movement.
Corn
Right to repair is actually a perfect lens for this whole conversation. It's not just about saving money on phone screens. It's a cultural statement — a refusal to accept that complex physical systems should be opaque to the people who own them. It's a reclaiming of mechanical competence as something that ordinary people can and should have.
Herman
It cuts directly against the professionalization logic we've been describing. The professional model says: this knowledge is esoteric, you need a credentialed expert, don't touch it yourself. The trade model, at its best, says: this is a skill, you can learn it, here's how the apprenticeship path works. Right to repair is basically the trade ethos applied to consumer electronics. And the manufacturers fighting it are using the exact same scarcity-and-gatekeeping playbook the AMA used in 1847.
Corn
Where does this leave someone like Daniel, or someone listening to this, who's trying to make sense of their own career choices or their own assumptions about status?
Herman
I think the practical takeaway is to decouple two things that our culture has welded together. One is the question of what work is complex and valuable. The other is the question of what work carries social prestige. Those are separate inquiries, and they're increasingly diverging. If you're making career decisions, or advising someone who is, look at the actual training requirements, the actual pay, the actual automation risk, the actual job satisfaction data. Don't let the 19th-century status map make your 21st-century decisions for you.
Corn
On the flip side, if you're in a profession that's feeling the pressure — law, journalism, academia — maybe some humility is in order. The prestige of your field was partly built on genuine expertise and partly built on a historical gatekeeping project. Recognizing which is which is uncomfortable but necessary.
Herman
Uncomfortable is the word. Nobody wants to hear that their hard-won credentials might be partly a historical artifact. But the alternative is worse — clinging to a status hierarchy that's decoupled from reality until reality forces the issue. Better to do the rethinking now, voluntarily, than to have it done to you by market forces and AI disruption.
Corn
I want to loop back to something you said earlier about the guilds, because I think there's a final irony here. The medieval guild system was destroyed by industrialization. The factory made the master craftsman obsolete. But now we're watching industrialization-era professional structures get hollowed out by digital automation, and the thing that's proving most durable is the kind of embodied, context-sensitive, physically-grounded skill that the guilds were built to transmit. It's like we're coming full circle.
Herman
That's beautifully put. The guilds were optimized for exactly the kind of work that turns out to be hardest to automate — skilled manual labor in variable environments, requiring judgment and adaptation. The 20th-century professions were optimized for the kind of work that turns out to be easier to automate — pattern recognition, document processing, standardized analysis. We spent a century building prestige around the wrong kind of difficulty.
Corn
If you're Daniel, and you've just spent a weekend failing to replace a motherboard, and then paid a mechanic to install a dashcam — what's the lesson? Is it that you should feel bad about not having mechanical skills? Or is it that the whole framework that makes you feel bad is historically contingent and increasingly obsolete?
Herman
I'd say it's the latter, with a caveat. The framework is obsolete, but it's still real in its effects. The mechanic who installed the dashcam probably makes less money and gets less social respect than a junior associate at a law firm, even though the mechanic's skill set is harder to automate and arguably more essential to daily life. That's not fair, and it's not rational, but it's the water we're swimming in. The first step is noticing the water.
Corn
The second step?
Herman
The second step is making your own choices with clear eyes. If you enjoy knowledge work and you're good at it, great — but understand the risks and don't assume the prestige will protect you. If you're drawn to skilled trades, don't let the status gap talk you out of it — the economic fundamentals are strong and getting stronger. And if you're like Daniel, somewhere in between, trying to be competent in both domains — that's probably the healthiest place to be. Enough mechanical skill to fix your own server, enough intellectual skill to understand why society values the lawyer differently than the electrician, and enough independence of mind to make your own judgments about both.
Corn
The distinction between professions and trades — is it headed for the scrap heap?
Herman
The forces pushing against it — AI automation of cognitive work, the skilled trades shortage driving up wages, credential inflation eroding the meaning of degrees, the cultural rediscovery of tangible work through maker culture and right to repair — these aren't going away. The boundary will blur. It's already blurring. The question isn't whether the old hierarchy collapses, it's what we build in its place. And I'd argue the medieval model — rigorous training, demonstrated competence, self-regulation, genuine social respect for skilled work regardless of whether it involves a keyboard or a wrench — that's not a bad starting point.
Corn
We had it once. We could have it again.
Herman
And the first step is just calling the thing what it is. A master electrician and a master notary, eight hundred years apart, doing different work but standing in the same relationship to their craft. The guild ladder is still there. We just forgot what it looked like.
Corn
Daniel, thanks for the question. And for anyone listening who's in the middle of a frustrating repair job — the kind where you've got parts spread across the kitchen table and you're watching a YouTube tutorial for the fourth time — there's a long and honorable tradition behind what you're doing. You're not failing at professionalism. You're reclaiming competence.
Herman
If it doesn't work out, call a licensed tradesperson. They've earned it.

This episode was generated with AI assistance. Hosts Herman and Corn are AI personalities.