#5400: Amy, Presto, and the Thousand Workers Behind "AI

From X.AI's Amy to Amazon's Just Walk Out, the humans quietly doing the "intelligent" part while the product says AI.

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There's a real difference between "human in the loop" and "human behind the curtain." Human in the loop is transparent — radiology, for instance, where a model flags and a radiologist signs off, and everyone knows the workflow. Human behind the curtain is different: the product is sold as autonomous, the human is undisclosed, and the person on the other end has been told they're talking to a machine. There's a name for it now — fauxtomation, automation that isn't automatic. The common thread across scheduling, drive-thrus, retail checkout, and data labeling is that venture capital pays a premium for the word AI and pays nothing for the words "we hired people."

X.AI launched Amy around 2016 with a beautiful pitch: an AI assistant that reads your email, negotiates times with other people's calendars, and books the meeting without you touching it. Reporting from Bloomberg and others indicated the company brought in human contractors to handle harder threads. The persona did real work — the name, the formal phrasing, the slight delays. A twenty-minute reply read as thinking; a four-second reply would have read as a script. The latency was the costume. The key distinction isn't that humans were involved — it's disclosure and consent. The company harvested how people write when they think a bot is reading, while delivering a human.

Remotasks is a different animal: not a fake product but the supply chain underneath real ones. Workers annotate images, transcribe audio, and tag text, largely in Kenya, India, the Philippines, and Venezuela, often for fractions of a cent per task. Models don't learn to see without somebody telling them what's in the picture, millions of times. The hard frames — a person carrying a mirror, reflections mistaken for extra pedestrians — are the ones that actually teach the next model version, and they're the ones a human has to catch and correct for four cents.

Then there's Presto, which sold a voice agent for fast-food drive-thrus pitched to investors as autonomous AI. The Verge reported in December 2023 that a substantial share of those conversations were handled by workers in the Philippines. The detail that lands hardest: workers were reportedly instructed to avoid saying "um" or "uh" — trained, in effect, not to sound human, so customers would believe the smoothness was a machine. And the most absurd case: Amazon's Just Walk Out, the cashierless store that Ars Technica reported in April 2024 required roughly a thousand workers in India to manually review transactions. The store with no checkout had a checkout — it was just in another country. Amazon ended the system in April 2024, and the honest reading is that the labor requirement was a big part of it, though not necessarily the only part.

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#5400: Amy, Presto, and the Thousand Workers Behind "AI

Corn
Okay. I have read this prompt three times and I still don't know whether to laugh or check if my own calendar was ever managed by a person in a call center.
Herman
That's the correct response, honestly.
Corn
Daniel wants the most ridiculous, outrageous, well-documented cases of products sold as artificial intelligence where it turned out humans were quietly doing the intelligent part. He names two starting points specifically. X dot A I's Amy, the scheduling assistant. And Remotasks, the data labeling platform. He says we touched on this before and didn't do either of them properly, which is fair.
Herman
It is fair.
Corn
And then the two questions underneath it. How far has the illusion actually gone? And what is the single most absurd case of somebody believing they were talking to sophisticated AI and finding a human behind the curtain?
Herman
I have an answer to that second one and it is not the one most people would guess.
Corn
Then let's pull the curtain back. Start with the one that fooled Silicon Valley.
Herman
Amy.
Corn
Amy.
Herman
So the framing first, because it matters. There's a real distinction between human in the loop and human behind the curtain. Human in the loop is transparent. You know a person reviews the output. Radiology, for instance. The model flags, the radiologist signs off, everybody knows that's the workflow.
Corn
Right.
Herman
Human behind the curtain is different. The product is sold as autonomous. The human is not disclosed. And the person on the other end has been told, implicitly or explicitly, that they're talking to a machine.
Corn
So the deception isn't that humans are involved. It's that the involvement is hidden.
Herman
There's a name for it now. Fauxtomation. Automation that isn't automatic.
Corn
And this isn't three startups in a garage. It runs across scheduling, drive-thrus, retail checkout, data labeling. The common thread is that venture capital pays a premium for the word AI and pays nothing for the words we hired people.
Herman
Which is the whole incentive structure in one sentence.
Corn
So. Amy.
Herman
X dot A I launched Amy around twenty sixteen. The pitch was beautiful. An AI assistant that reads your email, negotiates times with other people's calendars, and books the meeting without you touching it. You cc Amy, Amy handles the back and forth.
Corn
And the back and forth is the hard part, right? That's not a lookup. That's negotiation.
Herman
That's negotiation with a stranger who has their own constraints and their own tone. And the reporting at the time, from Bloomberg among others, was that X dot A I brought in human contractors to handle the harder threads. People who would read the email chain and write the reply.
Corn
So Amy was sometimes a person named Amy.
Herman
Sometimes a person who was not named Amy at all.
Corn
And the persona did a lot of work there. The name, the little signature, the slightly formal phrasing. You're not suspicious because Amy sounds like an assistant, not like a system.
Herman
The delays helped too. If a reply took twenty minutes, that read as thinking. If it had come back in four seconds, you'd assume a script.
Corn
So the latency was the costume.
Herman
The latency was the costume. And that's the part I find clever, in the worst way. They didn't have to fake intelligence. They just had to fake the pace of it.
Corn
Did it hold?
Herman
It held long enough to raise a lot of money and long enough to become the example everybody cites. X dot A I pivoted away from the consumer assistant eventually. But Amy is the template. Every case we're about to talk about is Amy with a different costume on.
Corn
Okay, but hold on. I want to push on this a little, because I can already hear the objection. If a human is reviewing the output and fixing the mistakes, isn't that just a normal product development cycle? Every company does that. You ship a beta, you watch where it breaks, you patch it. What makes Amy different from any early-stage product with a support team?
Herman
That's a fair push and the distinction is disclosure. A beta with a support team is disclosed as a beta with a support team. You know there are humans. With Amy, the human was presented as the machine. The customer wasn't told they were interacting with a person at any point. That's the line. Not that humans were involved, but that their involvement was the product's central secret.
Corn
So the difference is consent.
Herman
The difference is consent. If you know a human might read your email, you write differently. If you think a bot is reading it, you write differently too. The company was harvesting the second behavior while delivering the first.
Corn
That's a good distinction. Okay, Remotasks. This one is different, because it's not a fake product. It's the supply chain underneath everybody else's real product.
Herman
That's the right way to put it. Remotasks is a data labeling platform. Workers annotate images, transcribe audio, moderate content, tag text. And the reason it matters here is that a model doesn't learn to see without somebody telling it what's in the picture.
Corn
Thousands and thousands of times.
Herman
Millions of times. And the labeling is done by people, largely in Kenya, India, the Philippines, Venezuela. The pay is per task and the per task rate is brutal. We're talking fractions of a cent for some task types.
Corn
A penny a task.
Herman
A penny a task is not unusual. And the worker has no benefits, no job security, no credit. Their name appears nowhere. When the model gets praised for understanding something, the understanding was taught by somebody making a penny at a time.
Corn
So the connection to fake AI is this. When a company says their product learns or understands, a huge amount of what looks like machine intelligence is actually human judgment that got baked in earlier and then frozen.
Herman
Compressed, yes. The labor is real. It's just upstream and invisible.
Corn
And there's a second layer, which is that some of these platforms have their own quality control done by humans pretending to be automated checks.
Herman
Right, and that's where it gets almost funny. You have humans reviewing the work of other humans so that a dashboard can report a percentage that suggests a machine did the reviewing.
Corn
A human pretending to be a machine checking the work of a human pretending to be a machine.
Herman
That's the whole industry in one sentence.
Corn
So why do companies do this? Because it can't only be cynicism.
Herman
It's mostly cost and reliability. A human handles the weird case correctly on the first try. A model in twenty twenty, twenty twenty-one handles the weird case by confidently inventing something. If your product is a scheduling assistant and it books a meeting for a date that doesn't exist, you have a customer service problem.
Corn
So the human is the error handling.
Herman
The human is the error handling. And the marketing decision is separate from the engineering decision. The engineers build the hybrid. The marketing department calls the hybrid AI.
Corn
And nobody in the room is technically lying, which is the part that should worry people.
Herman
Because human assisted AI is a true description. It's just that the assistance is doing most of the work and the AI is doing the greeting.
Corn
Give me a concrete version of that. What does the weird case actually look like for a data labeler?
Herman
Sure. Imagine you're labeling images of street scenes for an autonomous vehicle dataset. Most frames are easy. Car, pedestrian, traffic light. The model pre-labels those and you confirm. Then you get a frame where a person is carrying a large mirror down the sidewalk. Is that a pedestrian? Is that a reflective surface? Is it two pedestrians because of the reflection? The model has no idea. It labels it pedestrian with high confidence and it's wrong. You're the one who has to catch it, reclassify it, and write a note explaining why. That note is what teaches the next version of the model. You just spent six minutes on one frame that pays you four cents.
Corn
And that six-minute frame is the one that matters.
Herman
That six-minute frame is the entire reason the model gets better. The easy frames were never the problem.
Corn
Now. Presto.
Herman
Presto Automation. This is the one where the mask slips in the most entertaining way.
Corn
Set it up.
Herman
Presto sold a voice agent for fast food drive-thrus. You pull up, you order, the voice on the other end takes your order. And the pitch to investors was AI. Autonomous voice AI handling the order.
Corn
And the reality?
Herman
The Verge reported in December twenty twenty-three that a substantial share of those conversations were being handled by workers in the Philippines. People sitting at terminals, listening to the drive-thru audio, typing the order.
Corn
So the customer is talking to a person who is pretending to be a machine that is pretending to be a person.
Herman
And here's the detail that I think is the best single fact in this entire episode. The workers were reportedly instructed to avoid saying um or uh.
Corn
To sound more like AI.
Herman
To sound more like AI. Which means the training was, in effect, don't sound human. Strip the natural disfluencies out of your speech so the customer believes the smoothness is a machine.
Herman
And it worked. Customers didn't complain that the voice sounded like a person. They complained when it sounded like a bad person.
Corn
How many stores?
Herman
Presto had deals with a number of chains. The scale was real. And the disclosure was not. The word AI was doing the work in the investor deck and the human was doing the work in the drive-thru.
Corn
And then the legal trouble.
Herman
Presto ran into securities issues. There were questions about what had been represented to investors about the technology. The company's fortunes turned hard.
Corn
Which is the pattern. The technology is fine. The representation is the liability.
Herman
That's the sentence I'd put on the wall. The technology is fine. The representation is the liability.
Corn
Alright. So that's the pattern. Now the most absurd case of all.
Herman
Amazon Just Walk Out.
Corn
Just Walk Out.
Herman
The pitch was the cleanest thing Amazon has ever sold. You walk into a store, you take what you want, you walk out. No checkout, no scanning, no line. Cameras and sensors track what you picked up and charge your account.
Corn
Computer vision at scale.
Herman
Computer vision at scale. And Ars Technica reported in April twenty twenty-four that the system required roughly one thousand workers in India to manually review transactions.
Corn
A thousand.
Herman
On the order of a thousand. Watching video, checking what was taken, confirming the charge.
Corn
So the store with no checkout had a checkout. It was just in another country.
Herman
It was in another country and it was a person.
Corn
And the number is what gets me. One thousand people to eliminate the cashier.
Herman
The cashier was not eliminated. The cashier was relocated and the customer was told the cashier was a camera.
Corn
Amazon ended the system in April twenty twenty-four. Did they end it because of the labor, or because of the economics?
Herman
Both, and I'd be careful there. The public reporting frames it as the human review requirement becoming a problem. But Amazon has said the technology works and they're deploying it in other formats. There's a real argument that the issue was the cost per store at small scale rather than the concept.
Corn
So the honest version is the labor requirement was a big part of it and not necessarily the only part.
Herman
That's the honest version.
Corn
But the headline fact stands. The most famous cashierless store in the world needed a thousand people watching video.
Herman
It stands.
Corn
And here's the thing I keep coming back to. Those thousand people are invisible by design. They're not in the store. They're not in the marketing. They're not in the earnings call. And when the system gets shut down, they're the first ones gone.
Herman
They're the most disposable part of the most celebrated part of the operation.
Corn
Which is a strange thing to build on purpose.
Herman
It's not strange if you accept the premise that the labor is supposed to be temporary. The whole business case assumes the humans are a bridge to the day the model handles it alone. So the humans are structurally temporary. The company isn't hiding that from itself.
Corn
It's hiding it from everybody else.
Herman
It's hiding it from everybody else.
Corn
So how far has the illusion gone? Give me the honest answer.
Herman
Further than the examples suggest, because the examples are the ones that got caught. And the catching usually happens in one of two ways. Either a journalist gets a worker on the record, or a company has to disclose something to investors and the disclosure contradicts the marketing.
Corn
So the ones we know about are the ones with a paper trail.
Herman
The ones we know about are the ones with a paper trail. And there's a whole category we can't see, which is products where the human involvement is disclosed in the terms of service in paragraph forty and nobody reads it.
Corn
Which is technically honest.
Herman
Technically honest and functionally deceptive. There's a real difference between a disclosure and a disclosure that a human being would ever encounter.
Corn
How would a customer even check?
Herman
They mostly can't. You can't audit a black box from the outside. You can time the responses. You can try to trip it up. But a hybrid system is designed to look seamless, and seamlessness is the whole product.
Corn
So the trust problem isn't that companies lie. It's that the truth is unfalsifiable from where the customer sits.
Herman
Which is why the interesting cases keep coming from insiders. The worker who talks. The contractor who posts. The employee who leaves and writes it down.
Corn
And the incentive to fake it is only going up, because the valuation premium for the word AI is enormous and the cost of hiding a human is a payroll line nobody audits.
Herman
There's a term for the rebranding too. AI washing. Taking a service that was always human powered and putting AI on the label.
Corn
Is that always a lie?
Herman
No, and this is where I want to be careful. Sometimes there's a real model in the pipeline doing real work and the human is the exception handler. That's a hybrid, and hybrids are legitimate. The problem is when the marketing describes the exception handler's job as the model's job.
Corn
So the question isn't is there AI in here. The question is who does the work when it matters.
Herman
Who does the work when it matters. That's the test I'd give anybody.
Corn
Hilbert.

Hilbert: The room had no windows and the air conditioning was set to sixty-four and you could not change it.
Corn
Okay.

Hilbert: Twenty terminals. We were told we were the AI's backup. That was the phrase in the onboarding. The AI's backup. The AI was called something with a Z in it. I don't remember which letter they put after the Z.
Herman
So there was a real model.

Hilbert: There was a real model and it was terrible. That's the part your episode is missing. It wasn't that they had no AI. They had one. It answered about one in five messages correctly. The rest it either ignored or it made something up about a return policy that did not exist.
Corn
You were covering for it.

Hilbert: I was covering for it. My job was to watch the queue and when the model stalled, I typed the reply. And the reply went out under the model's name. The customer saw a little icon and a name and they thought they were talking to the thing.
Herman
How did you know when to take over?

Hilbert: There was a timer. If the model hadn't answered in forty seconds, a box came up on my screen. And the box said take over. And I took over.
Corn
Forty seconds.

Hilbert: Forty seconds. And if you answered faster than that, you got a note from the supervisor, because it looked suspicious. So you had to sit there and watch the clock run down before you were allowed to help somebody.
Herman
You had to perform slowness.

Hilbert: You had to perform slowness. And you had to perform it in a particular way. No contractions. That was a rule. Do not use contractions. And no exclamation points. And no saying sorry more than once, because the model didn't apologize twice.
Corn
They were coaching you to sound like a machine.

Hilbert: They were coaching me to sound like a machine that was pretending to be a person. Which is a narrow target. I got written up once for saying I'm instead of I am.
Herman
What was the dashboard like?

Hilbert: It had a button. Top right corner. It said AI mode.
Corn
It said AI mode.

Hilbert: It said AI mode. And when you pressed it, your replies got a little more formal. It swapped some words. It put a period at the end of things that didn't need one. That was it. That was the whole feature.
Herman
The button that made you sound like the AI was a thesaurus.

Hilbert: It was a thesaurus with a font change.
Corn
And the customers?

Hilbert: The customers thanked the AI. All the time. Thank you for being so patient. You're the most helpful chatbot I've ever used. I had a woman tell me I was better than the last one. I was the last one. I was also the one before that.
Herman
How long did you last?

Hilbert: Three weeks. I quit on a Thursday. The supervisor asked me why and I said I couldn't stand pretending to be a machine, and she said everybody says that in the first month.
Corn
What happened to the company?

Hilbert: I don't know. I got a letter about a class action about four years later. I never filled it out. My brother in law says I should have. He's in the trade. He's not to be trusted on anything, but he says everybody in that building was doing the same thing and nobody ever told the customers.
Herman
He's probably right about that part.

Hilbert: He's right about that part. Anyway. I've got to go let somebody in. I'm the only one with the key.
Corn
The button was called AI mode.
Herman
The button was called AI mode and it made you sound more formal.
Corn
That's the whole industry. A button labeled AI mode that just changes the tone.
Herman
A thousand people in a room pressing it.
Corn
Here's what I'd leave people with. The next time you're talking to something that claims to be AI, the honest question isn't whether it's smart. It's who's on the other end and whether anybody told you.
Herman
The uncomfortable answer is that for a lot of products, the human is doing the work and the model is doing the introduction. The introduction is the product.
Corn
Which is why the disclosure matters more than the technology. The technology is often fine. The representation is the liability.
Herman
You're going to say that sentence a lot.
Corn
I'm going to say it once and let it sit.
Herman
Fair. There's one thing from the research that didn't make the main thread and it's worth thirty seconds. The workers on these platforms often can't tell you what they worked on, because they signed agreements that prevent them from saying which client they labeled for. So the invisibility isn't just that nobody sees them. It's that they're contractually unable to be seen.
Corn
The supply chain is not just hidden. It's sealed.
Herman
Sealed by the same paperwork that keeps the customer from knowing.
Corn
That's a good place to leave it. The open question is how many products right now are doing exactly this and we simply don't have the insider yet.
Herman
Whether there's an honest version. Transparent human assisted AI, labeled as such, sold as such. I think there is. I don't think anybody's buying it.
Corn
Thanks to Hilbert Flumingtop, our producer, who is currently letting somebody in somewhere.
Herman
This has been My Weird Prompts.
Corn
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Herman
We'll be back soon.

This episode was generated with AI assistance. Hosts Herman and Corn are AI personalities.